Obama’s birth certificate controversy reaches Supreme Court

The controversy about the Hawaiian birth certificate of the President-elect Barack Obama - which raises questions about Obama's eligibility to take office next month - has reached the Supreme Court, which is likely to announce Monday whether it will consider the matter.

Even after the state of Hawaii vouched for the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, the unusual fight is thriving outside the so-called mainstream media, in an environment increasingly influenced by the Internet.

The campaign challenging the legitimacy of Obama's 1961 birth certificate or the legality of his taking office is chronicled by WorldNetDaily, a popular, politically right-leaning site. Moreover, it appears that Peter Boyles - KHOW's morning drive time talk host - has taken up the mantle this issue; as have strong Obama opponents, like Jerome Corsi. In addition, lawyers in at least six states have argued Obama is not a natural-born citizen and cannot be president.

In an article on World Net Daily, Corsi contends that, in response to his requests for the Obama birth certificate, Linda Lingle, the Governor of Hawaii ordered the Obama birth certificate under seal, and ordered the state Health Department to refuse all press requests for the original documents.

The birth certificate on both the Obama and 'Fight the Smears' website does not reveal the name of the hospital at which Obama was born. In fact, to many it looks much more like a simple registration of birth, which Obama's mother could have applied for according to Hawaiian law, regardless of where Obama was actually born.

If, the critics were proved right, and it could be demonstrated that Obama was born in Kenya and not Hawaii, and if the courts held that made Obama ineligible for the Presidency, the Constitutional questions are staggering with far from clear consequences.

born papers of bo

if not born in usa but brought up in osa has right under any law to be what he wants to bee depands on the law and if they no right the that mean biden is predsidet for next years no votoing because it wast of taxs and time we dont have time to play and plan for this , so think about it fast

wow!

wow!

Not true

If he was not born in the US he can't become president. It doesn't matter if he was raised in the US all his life. By the looks of your grammar, I don't think you know law very well.

What?

Please go back to school and learn to read and write before you post comments.

wow

Were where u bron? in teh land of bad speeellings?

L2 write so we may understand wtf you are talking about plzkthxggz.

LOL!!!

LOL!!!

Show US the birth documentation... what do you have to hide?

The Constitution is clear.

Qualifications for the Office of President

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a "natural born citizen", or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
• Anyone born inside the United States *
• Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
• Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
• Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
• Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
• A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law - the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

what is this flack about? read this only and understand.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

Clear?

Because you have citizen status under Title 8 does not make you " natural born ". What your saying is that if illegal immigrants give birth on American soil that offspring can become President of the United States. That's ridiculous.

The " natural born " is exclusive of all citizenship law including the 14th Amendment that is why it still appears in the Constitution as it does. The clasue pertains to the Presidency and Vice-Presidency and appears nowhere else.

Barack Obama, Jr is not a natural born citizen of the United States. His Father was not an American citizen.

It doesn't matter about where he was born

Section 1401 "Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)" This means that even if he was born outside America, he is considered a US citizen because his mother was a US citizen who lived in the US for at least 5 years. If this Section 1401 is real, then Obama doesn't have anything to worry about and the people who don't want him to be president will just have to deal with it.

HAWAII tries to be nice

As long as Obama hides his papers the case will escalade and more lawsuits will rise, i am hopefull Berg's lawsuit will bring the light on this, if Obama was born in Kenya then the constitution says he must leave

Sounds like Hawaii officials want to be nice with Obama, it's their hero, so although they seem to find zero records about birth (rather than registration) they can make a fuzzy statement (we have 'verified') and liberal media and Obama fans will take it and extrapolate the statemet into 'they have proven that he was born in Hawaii'.

Accusations and verifications

"the Governor of Hawaii ordered the Obama birth certificate under seal, and ordered the state Health Department to refuse all press requests for the original documents."

Original Birth Certificates in Hawaii are considered private and always under seal and not released to anyone but the person. Many states follow this policy for other government documents. Many states will not release original documents (or copies) to just anyone. For example, if you are a parent with a child in a college or university, you may not have access to your child's grades sometimes even if you have your child's permission.

"The birth certificate on both the Obama and 'Fight the Smears' website does not reveal the name of the hospital at which Obama was born."

It is a short form copy of his birth certificate (the only kind Hawaii will release). Short form copies in Hawaii do not list all the information of the long form copies like hospital's name. The State of Hawaii has verified that it is an authentic copy. Those who have a short form copy of Hawaii birth certificates have noted it is the same form as Obama's.

Obama has NOT released an unaltered copy of his birth

Obama has NOT released an unaltered copy of his birth certificate. He has NOT released any hospital or doctor records that show where he was born and who the doctor was. (He has also NOT released other significant documents, like his college records or his thesis.) He has NOT released the records of his adoption or his Indonesian passport. He has NOT released even an altered copy of the long form of his birth certificate that would give the kind of information that would completely satisfy and silence the “birthers” (at least most of them). His pattern of hiding and obscuring and even lying about his past (like stating in writing in a formal document that he never went by or used a different name) is over the top and is one of the reasons why I do not trust anything he says and would put nothing past him.

For myself and many like me, until he answers these questions (which he could easily do if he just released the documents), we will not recognize him as the president, we will not recognize any legislation he signs as law, we will not view any orders he gives the military as binding, we will not view any judges he appoints or the decisions they make as anything other than bogus.

Obama is forcing the Country into a state of anarchy by his insistence on hiding key, essential documents. For this reason, he is the greatest threat to the state of the nation to ever hit the USA–worse than 911 and even than Pearl Harbor. He and he alone

Why do you care?

What the heck does all this have to do with anything? Why do you care about this? What is driving this great anti-Obama witch hunt that you're advocating? He's not HIDING any doecuments. But you're hiding your own name because you are a coward who is content to throw stones from afar.

People who think like you are just stirring up trouble. Why can't you just relax and let the man do his work? There are no skeletons here. And anarcy? Really?

Reply to a true hardliner

I just spent the last 8 years under a President that stole an election. He and his family bought the 2000 election by calling in favors at the Supreme Court. George Bush was and is a Crook. He has embarrassed the American Public, he is guilty of breaking International Treaties and has destroyed any idea of personal privacy. Yet you think he was better than Obama.

This President got an overwhelming mandate and you don't want to recognize him. He got more votes and more electoral college votes than Bush did and you don't want to recognize him. Hey go to Sarahpac.com and help her.

obama

Because obama is black the republicans the prejudice are just trying so hard for him to
Get him out of office because they feel that a black can't lead this country.will it make
A difference if he was white I feel that you guys are fucking stupid asses you let bush
Bring this country down now obama got to fix it he made the rich richer and the poor poorer so can you guys deal with it when the shoe is on the other foot you don't like it
So obama will lead this country to victory the house the senate give him that bail out
Money stop trying to hold it .

Frankly

It doesn't really matter what you will and will not recognize. Once he is President, then what? You'll become a criminal because you don't "recognize" his legislation?

Honestly people, his birth state has laws about protecting citizen's personal information. Period. Not just Obama's birth certificate- every one's. He is not unique in this. Let's get a grip and focus on more important issues. Let it go, he is our next President and our (yes, your's too) lifes are about to get a lot better.

Don't hold your

Don't hold your breath!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's the problem

"Prove you were born in Hawaii"

Here's the official copy.

"That's not good enough. Prove to me it's real."

The state of Hawaii has authenticated it.

"They could be lieing. Look you hid your certificate number."

Yes, for privacy.

"Bah you say privacy, I say you're hiding something. It doesn't list your doctors or hospital."

The official short form does not list that information for anyone.

"I wanna talk to the hospital and doctor's now to verify everything."

Even if he did, people would question whether they were "real doctors."

The problem here isn't that he isn't whether he is a citizen. The problem here is that people like you are so against him being president that you will never believe anything anybody says. You always look for any excuse rather accept the most realistic conclusion: He is a natural born citizen and he is the next President.

Obama's Birth Certificate

That's all fine and dandy with your response, but, do a search you should be able to find that even Obama's Grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya. That Obama himself admits that he truly is not a US citizen since his own citizenship falls under his fathers, a Kenyan citizen. Which at that time was under British rule. So, Obama admits that he was a British citizen. Under the U.S. Constitution it states he could be the president if he was british born and there when the U.S. constitution was signed!!! (A Grandfather clause) Sometimes the truth is truly out there, it all depends on how you spin it. That's why such tactics as advertising truly work. It got your attention, it got you thinking a certain way. So, weigh the facts according to whomever you hear it from, and you'll find that the truth is truly out there.

This is rediculous.

The democratic party wouldn't have even put him on the ballot if he wasn't U.S. born. These people don't that this is one of the first questions he would have been asked when trying to run for president?
This is simple desperation by the right at this point.

it's not ridiculous

Yes they would. They knew the majority of American's were fed up with the Bush Administration. They knew they could get him elected if they had the MSM support, which they did. So they rolled the dice.
He's a Socialist, the velvet glove that covers the iron fist of Communism.

Donofrio Supreme Court Case Is *Not* About Birth Certificate

Medha Sood's comment, "Obama’s birth certificate controversy reaches Supreme Court," is not accurate.

The Donofrio case, which was considered in conference by the Supreme Court on Friday, begins with the assumption that Obama *was* born in Hawaii. Donofrio does not deny nor seek proof of Obama's Hawaii birth.

Instead, Donofrio alleges that Obama is not a "natural born citizen." Obama's father was, at the time of Obama Jr.'s birth, a Kenyan national with British citizenship -- a British subject. Donofrio's interpretation of the law is that Obama Jr. is constitutionally prohibited from the presidency because of this dual citizenship at birth.

Obama's website confirms the dual citizenship:
"FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

How could they NOT take up the question

If there is validity to question the authenticity of whether BO is able to take office, the Court MUST consider it. This isn't some issue they've already made a prior decision on or a lower court has already provided an answer.

If they don't, then our constitution is truly eroding. I only want an American to be President over the USA, not some Kenyan. Even though it's not his fault he was born in Kenya, the same can be said for billions of other people. There's a reason behind the standard, and if he's not a natural born citizen of the USA, then... I guess Bush continues until we elect an American.

Really?

So the SCOTUS should entertain any and all legal challenges whether they make sense? Hawaii has verified his birth records. What more should SCOTUS do?

obamas birth

Natural born citizen is described in a deceased document called the constitution.If the president elect is not a citizen,our govt will sweep it under the rug rather than contend with the chaos of keeping the first black man out of the White House!!!

Obama's Birth

If you really were born in America, simply prove it and end the question.

Obama's Birth

I agree with this writer---What does he have to hide. Prove you are a citizen and be done with it. If I was being denounced as a US citizen I would be glad to prove it. Why the cat and mouse game. Senator McCain has proved who he is. Something 'fishy' here.

What more do you want?

He's already released an official short form copy of his birth certificate which the state of Hawaii has authenticated. What more do you want?

This is all so absurd. Even

This is all so absurd. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, he would still be a U.S. citizen because one parent was a U.S. citizen. The U.S. Dept. of State website,

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

states:

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

IT SIMPLY DOES NOT MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN. HIS MOTHER WAS A U.S. citizen. OBAMA IS A U.S. CITIZEN!!!! He was born in Hawaii, but even if he was somehow born in Kenya or the moon, he is a citizen. The problem is the stupid people out there who don't bother checking the law.

not a natural born us citizen

if this is true than Arnold shouldn't be governor of California.he is not a natural born citizen the law shouldn't just apply to being president but to all politicians if they are not born in the usa then they shouldn't be in office at all

Not the law in 1961

Hey anonymous that was not the law in 1961 and that is what we have to go by. The law then not now, look it up.

Then why...

... is he not providing his birth certificate? or any other documents?

I just want to find out the truth & it seems no one is able to provide any proof.

BTW I applaud you finding this regulation about citizenship abroad birth, but this is not the only law.

What about british law?

What are the father & his countries citizenship laws? You act like the U.S. law is the end all, be all, but you forget to look at the other side of the coin.

I feel this matter will drag on for some time

then why...

... is he not providing his birth certificate? or any other documents?

I just want to find out the truth & it seems no one is able to provide any proof.

BTW I applaud you finding this regulation about citizenship abroad birth, but this is not the only law.

What about british law?

What are the father & his countries citizenship laws? You act like the U.S. law is the end all, be all, but you forget to look at the other side of the coin.

I feel this matter will drag on for some time

It is not about the birth certificate or his place of birth.

On his own webstite Obama states that he was a British Citizen at birth. This disqualifies him according to the Constitution. Obama knew this years ago but rather than clear it up, he chose to cover and confuse it hoping the media would go along.

Check your facts

It doesn't say anywhere on his website he was a British citizen. Even if he was a British citizen, the US allows for dual citizenship. Since he was born in Hawaii, that makes him a US Citizen. That is unless you believe all the conspiracy theories that he wasn't born in Hawaii.

Check YOUR facts - no dual citizenship in US

The US DOES NOT allow for dual citizenship. I see this all the time, being military. Many people gain citizenship during military service. In fact, my fiance is British. When he gained US citizenship, America only recognized the American citizenship and made him relinquish British citizenship. But the UK still recognizes both. And I don't think this is a conspiracy to keep the first "black man" out of the office. He's only half black anyway, so it shouldn't even be an issue.

Dual Citizenship

Of course the US allows for dual citizenship - the number of people who fly into the US using their US passport and then return to the EU using their EU Passport is staggering.

At the same time we have lots of people in Arab, African countries (and others) which fly eight month pregnant women to the uS so they can be born here and automatically obtain US citizenship while keeping their Yemeni or Saudi or Kuwaiti nationality. Furthermore literally thousands of Jews possess both US and Israeli passports.

Personally, I think dual citizenship should be banned; and the 14th ameendment (which says anyone born in the US is a citizen) be amended. When it was written it was to settle once and for the question of whether former slaves were actually Americvans. The Radical Republicans who wrote didn't intend for it to be a shortcut to citizenship for other nationalities looking ofr the benefits of a US passport.

Communist for President

I don't care much whether Obama is a U.S. citizen. It's not like he's going to respect the Constitution, even if he is a citizen. What bothers me is that the man is a Communist, and I simply cannot allow my children to live in a country whose wealth and liberty is destroyed by this evil ideology.

That is why I joined the Free State Project. I hope others who believe in LIMITED government will do the same!

Obama's birth place

The majority of this country voted for Obama. He most certainly cannot remember what geographical location he was at the time of his birth. His mother was a US citizen. If this election is somehow decided by the supreme court there will be absolute chaos. What kind of a message does this send to the rest of the world? Unless the judges sitting on that court are totally ignorant, they will refuse to consider this matter. Why was this not brought before the court at the time he was running? and what else will the sore losers come up with?

Not everyone is born in a hospital

Don't base your argument on a lack of a HOSPITAL name. Some people are born at home.

OBAMA

If this Obama birth certificate thing proves he is ineligible for the presidency- what happens then-Biden or Mccain or another vote?

OBAMA

Biden

The Twentieth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, section 3
"If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified"

The Donofrio "Natural Born Citizen" Challenge to Obama

For an actually informative article covering the Donofrio "natural born Citizen" challenge see this link. It includes background, rationale, constitutional context, and case law.

To the person who said he was a "Communist"

You my friend, are an idiot...

Arguing on the Internet.

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No... I dont care about being politcally correct...

To the person that mentioned that he does not recognize Obama as president. There are a lot of laws that a lot of people do not like. IE: Women having the right to vote (LOL). This is America, live with it or go somewhere else!

Dear Anonymous

"This is America, live with it or go somewhere else!" I will gladly take a one way trip to Israel if you foot the bill .

Okay

I'm still available if anyone needs a President.

Sincerely,
Ralph Nader

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